Here's a picture of the tee shirt, for those of you who do not have one:
As mentioned earlier in this post, online examples of the Toombs family crest vary some from what is dipicted on the tee. I believe multiple crests turned up online, but with little variance between each other - I would imagine that different Toombs families may have slight differences in their crests, which may explain why the one on our tee is a little different. Below is one of the online images we found, which turns up the most:
Any information that any of you may be able to provide on the family crest/coat of arms, would be very helpful, and GREATLY appreciated!!
Thanks,
Mishell and Heather
9 comments:
I have hired in the past a coat of arms researcher do extensive research into the Tombs coat of arms. And the one you find online with a green shield as you posted on your page is the correct one. The green shield with the coped rounded tombstone in silver is accurate. It dates back to the 13th century and sometime in the middle to the late of the 15th century was altered. The 3 coped rounded stone tombstones arranged in an upside down triangle were later replaced with 3 stone grave crypts. So the researcher found this out for me a few years ago. Don't always rely on the ones you find online. Even the House of Names site don't always have them accurately depicted. For they have one of my family arms misinterpreted. If you can find a local researcher to do the proper search go that route so that way you know exactly it it correct. For the ones online just go by one origin and if you don't tell them the exact origin of your family they may give you the wrong crest from the wrong country. IE if your family is from Welsh or Sot or Ireland they may give you the same name from England which can be completely wrong.
The other one that is not green was possibly one that someone just drew up on their own or it was a seperate family of Toombs who branched off from the original name. That happens when one family member becomes a lord or king and his fellow siblings aren't allowed to bear the same coat of arms and the male members have to alter the coat of arms to suit them when then gain ownership of lands or titles. I was the one who posted on February 4, 2014. Toombs are believed to be descended originally from the Norman race, frequently but mistakenly assumed to be of French origin. They were more accurately of Viking origin. Thorfinn Rollo, his descendant led his people into northern France early in the 10th century. We are descendants of of Thorfinn Rollo.
Michael E Toombs
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I remember when my dad Zane would draw that Toombs crest with the 3 Rampant Lions on the red and white field and he said it was French during the 80s. But in all my years since the internet has now become available, etc. I have never found the Toombs name in French with that coat of arms. Yet I have gone to several different Heraldry Research Experts over the years and told them of this other 3 Lion Rampant crest. And each one has come back to me and said there is no such crest and that the Toombs name crest with the green shield and 3 tombstones is the correct one for the family for it is one of the oldest families in England dating as far back as 1205 AD in the 13th century. I think the Red an White coat of arms was just someone like my father who drew the Toombs crest without really knowing at the time what it really looked like and just made it up to what they thought it might look like. For I had that same one on letter heads my dad (Zane) would write letters on to me. And I remember one time he made the same picture when he did it as a sand painting on wood one summer when I visited the summer of 82. I believe that one is a mistake for there is no record of it in the Official Book of Heraldry, except for the green shield and silver tombstones.
Michael Toombs
The green coat of arms with three tombstones on a green shield is the correct image registered at the Royal Collage of Arms.
I asked my grandmother where the 3 lion Toombs crest came from. For I had sent her a copy of the picture to her to find out more about it. And I had totally forgotten about this site until I came across it again today. And saw more comments.
My grandmother said that great grandfather George W Toombs had this crest with the name on a plaque that he had for many years. After he died in 1972 my grandmother took the plaque to keep in the family, which she had for several years. Then at some time in the mid 1980s my dad Zane asked my grandmother if he could keep the plaque which she let him take it. yet I don't ever remember seeing the plaque for myself. Sometimes Zane was very private and he never spoke much about things. So if he still had it he would have it up until his death in 2009 which my step mother Carol would now have it. This is all I know about it.
Now David as you mentioned this is registered with the Royal College of Arms in England. But there are also occasions when another branch of the family tree breaks off and as it says in my book of heraldry. "The original coat with a special mark of difference, or entirely new coat, often alluding to the father's illegitimate, bastard child. Or two unrelated families who happen to have the same surname are usually given utterly dissimilar plain coats of arms to distinguish the difference between the two different families."
Now I came across this with one of my family coat of arms the Short name, which I had specifically researched professionally. And unlike the most common Short surname arms found on every site of a blue field with a gold griffon rampant surrounded by 3 gold 6-pointed stars in a triangle formation. My Short surname arms had a chief of ermine and the shield is black with a silver rampant griffon. And ive been told the most common version in blue is actually the Scottish version whereas my family coat of black with silver griffon is the English version and is unrelated to the other family name. So there is also the possibility that the 3 lion version like that posted on this site is either of an illegitimate (bastard) child or another unrelated family from the green shield with 3 silver tombstone version that is registered in the Royal College.
Thats my thinking its a possible illegitimate child from the original family name. Yet I have still not found this version not even in the French registry. So who knows.
Michael (Toombs)Short
Hi Michael, you may be right however if a totally separate family branch had a different coat of arms created, that too should be created by and resisted with eh royal college of arms, assuming this was a British coat of arms.
Hi David, so true but who knows but if it was a French branch of the family like I was told once then it wouldnt be in the British coat of arms. Guess we will never know the truth or origin of this other coat of arms. But I am doing some artwork on my computer where I enjoy doing and recreating the historical family coat of arms.
And Im going to do both the Toombs versions and on one Im going to combine the 2 and the shield is pale divided with both on each side of the shield so they are combined until otherwise. So one is a tribute to the original one and the second one a tribute to the plaque that was lost and was my great grandfather George W Toombs. And Im going to do it in leather when I make the 2 crests together. For my stepmother Carol is estranged from us and she doesn't keep in touch with the family since dad's death. And attempting to get the plaque back would be out of the question when no one knows where she is now.
I also forgot to mention last year I was at the Renaissance festival and I told this company Heritage Crests who do research and also print out peoples crests. They have a website www.heritagecrests.com and they use what is registered in the Royal College of Arms. I told them about the other crest and gave them copies of the 3 red lion crest to see if they could look into it. And I just called them today since I forgot about it to see what they found out and told them more about what I knew from what my grandmother told me. And they said they to had forgot to call me and get back to me to tell me more about it. They said that they were not able to find that particular coat of arms. But they did tell me they found another Toombs coat of arms that originated in Ireland that has an old style sailing ship on the crest. So they told me they would be in town next month for our annual Renaissance festival and the lady I spoke to said she can show me the Irish version of the crest they recently discovered.
But the lady also told me that there is also another possibility. That one of our ancestors who wanted to change the crest or upgrade the crest due to current achievements in politics or personal status may have came up with the design but never officially had it registered and just handed it down within the family and said it was the family crest. So Im waiting to see what the other Irish crest looks like in 19 days and Im taking the copy of the one I have with me to compare the two. For she did say that there is a blue field at the top with the old ship on it but nothing of the red lions. So we will see when I compare them.
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